10/29/09 05:11PM | 1945 views | 69 comments
E.P. City Councilman sent suspicious white powder
Along with a threatening letter, city councilman Brian Coogan was sent a suspicious substance Thursday afternoon
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EAST PROVIDENCE - East Providence Hazmat crews and police officers shutdown two sections of Grove Avenue for a few hours Thursday afternoon after city councilman Brian Coogan received a “threatening” letter with suspicious white powder.

Mr. Coogan said he had checked his mail earlier Thursday afternoon when he noticed a hand-written envelope addressed to his home at 172 Grove Ave. with no return address. Inside the letter, Mr. Coogan said he found a white powdery substance along with criticism for a recent vote he took against the city’s budget for fiscal year 2010, which includes a 3.5 percent tax increase.

“This is definitely politically motivated,” Mr. Coogan said. “It’s crazy.”

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Additionally, city manager Richard Brown also received a letter. After speaking with police, Mr. Brown said his letter contained similarities with the one delivered to Mr. Coogan, except there was no white powder.

Fire Chief Joseph Klucznik said the white powder was determined to be non-toxic and non-harmful.

Police Chief Joseph Tavares said an investigation into the incident is on-going.

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Looking at his photo, I think it should have been sweet and low.

Just Kidding

10/30/09, 08:25 AM

I'm surprised the right wing anti-union fruitcakes haven't jumped all over this story and accused Paul Doughty of sending these packages. What the heck, they blame him for all the other problems going on in the world.

10/30/09, 11:11 AM

1) UNIONS FIGHT AND SQUEEZE FOR MORE MONEY FOR THEIR MEMBERS (TEACHERS - POLICE - FIREMEN)

2) WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM?

3) IT COMES FROM THE ANNUAL TAXES PAID BY THE TAXPAYERS

4) IF YOU WANT HIGHER ANNUAL TAXES, THEN SUPPORT THE UNIONS AND THE POLITICAL CANDIDATES THEY SUPPORT AND WANT IN. YOU WILL THEN GET HIGHER TAXES.

5) IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE !

10/30/09, 11:54 AM

It's a real shame that someone would stoop so low as to make these threats to Councilman Coogan. The residents of East Providence are extremely fortunate to have a leader like Councilman Coogan, who stands up to the self-serving bullying tactics of Larisa and his henchmen Cusack and Perry. Keep fighting Councilman Coogan-the residents of East Providence support you 100%!

10/30/09, 12:40 PM

I heard Attorney Paul Doughty is assigned to the Special Hazards truck in the Providence Fire Department-I wonder if he responded to this emergency call on mutual aid to lend his expertise.

10/30/09, 01:16 PM

) WHY ARE ALL THE DIFFERENT UNIONS ALWAYS FIGHTING AND SQUEEZING CITIES AND TOWNS FOR MORE MONEY?

BECAUSE THAT IS HOW UNIONS MAKE THEIR MONEY.

THE UNIONS RECEIVE DUES FROM ALL OF THEIR UNION MEMBERS.

THE DUES ARE DEDUCTED DIRECTLY FROM THE MEMBERS PAYCHECK.

2) WHO ARE THE UNION MEMBERS?

PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS

POLICEMEN

FIREMEN

3) WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM?

IT COMES FROM THE ANNUAL TAXES PAID BY THE TAXPAYERS IN THE CITY OR TOWN IN WHICH THEY LIVE.

4)I'M A TAXPAYER, AND I"M FED UP WITH HIGHER TAXES, IT'S GETTING SO I CAN"T AFFORD TO LIVE IN MY OWN HOUSE ANYMORE. WHAT SHOULD I DO?

IF YOU DON'T WANT HIGHER ANNUAL TAXES, THEN VOTE THE UNIONS AND THE POLITICAL CANDIDATES THEY SUPPORT OUT OF OFFICE.

5) IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE !

10/30/09, 02:56 PM

To the people who keep using the line" I'm a taxpayer"...what do you think cops, firefighters,teachers all public employees are not. do you think they have a little tax fairy that waves a magic wand and makes their taxes disappear..NO...we all pay our taxes just like every other TAXPAYER, so stop with that one

10/30/09, 03:17 PM

Personally I would want the moron who sent the power to be caught and charged and then sent to jail like he deserves. This could have been a tragedy if someones loved one or there was another emergency somewhere.

When you have a serious situation involving thing like this it takes a lot more time and safety personel to resond to it and most times along investigation at the scene wasting expensive equipment I.E. hazardous water suits, decontamination time etc. Now that should be more up setting to all since if this turned out to be a real deadly powder it could have killed many and first responders have to assume allways that is the case.

Jack

10/30/09, 03:31 PM

"engine2" YOUR UNION COMES IN AND GETS YOU A $5,000 PER YEAR RAISE, AND YOUR TAXES GO UP $180 .................... THE POLICE UNION DOES THE SAME THING .......................... THE TEACHERS UNION DOES THE SAME THING

HOW IS THE TAXPAYER DOING?

10/30/09, 09:25 PM

imroveep. you say the same thing on all your post.taxpayers are doing good right know your tax went up 180dollars has nothing to do with fire or police it whats your house is worth did'nt you just have a reval ...when your great leader cuts 20+ firefighters in jan.you will see your insurance will double hows that......check the facts and ask your agent.

10/30/09, 11:56 PM

ImproveEP

As usual your posts are devoid of facts!

A police officer @50,000 year gets 3% or $1,500....

an example:

A private sector taxpayer earns $50,000 and pays $4,000 in property tax. That is 8% of his/her income.

A city worker earns $50,000 and pays $4,000 in property taxes. That is 8% of their income.

WHY IS 8% LESS THAN 8% ???

10/31/09, 07:32 AM

I like to jump into this and say that the firemen or police officer or city worker has benifits from the taxpayer, some taxpayers dont have those benifts, so when the tax rate increases, and the taxpayers income doesn't then somthing has to suffer, less food on the table, skiping medications, no vacations, parking the car because of the high cost of gas, and car insurance. So please stop complaining about the people that use the IM a taxpayer statement. I dont have benifts so yes it pisses me off when someone else will be better off then I at my taxdollar expense. and I wish I made $50,000. a year. What about the people that earn $25,000 - 35,000. These are the people that are sufferning.

As far as losing firemen and the home insurance goes up every town has a mutal aid system in effect, there will always be some help, it might take a while to get there but it will be there. The unions are killing us taxpayers that dont get those great benifits. The city worker will be enjoying nov 11th off as it is a holiday, I wont because I am working.

10/31/09, 11:01 AM

Sorry Dave but the "we are taxpayers also" arguement is a valid one. A service is provided to any taxpayer, union or private. Year after that service increases in price, again this affects ANYONE who pays taxes union or private. This is no different then any other service out there.

You need public safety just like you need heat or electricity. Every year it goes up and I think it is safe to say that everyone complains because we all have to pay the bill, union or private.

You just stated;

"every town has a mutal aid system in effect, there will always be some help, it might take a while to get there but it will be there."

Well I pay the same taxes that you do and when it comes ot my house burning down, a family member in medical distress, or being victim to a crime I would rather skip the "it might take awhile to get there" part. EP is known for it's rapid response times...it is one of the reasons people move there.

As for salary 50k after almost 20 years on the job does not equate to overpaid. If you work at the same job for 20 years in the private sector I doubt that you are only making 50k.

10/31/09, 08:30 PM

I to am sick of posters picking on the firefighters. If you want to complain about the Union leadership that’s fine, like our government leaders we vote for we rarely get what we want and every one complains. But you never blame yourself if you voted for the person who you are upset with now. So why blame rank and file members of the Firefighter Union. They use the same voting system as the U.S. in their elections.

If you don’t like firefighters fine that’s your opinion but they have a creed just like the military that protect your right to freedom. The creed I speak of hangs in my home and explains why all people should have respect for the firefighter period. I am posting this creed and after you read it if you don’t have respect for these men and woman then you need serious mental health help in my opinion. It is called the firefighters prayer and I have spoken this at many funerals and memorial services over the years it says it all.

Jack

FIREFIGHTERS PRAYER

When I am called to duty, God wherever

Flames may rage, Give me strength to

Save some life, Whatever be its age.

Help me embrace a little child before

It is too late, or save an older person

From the horror of that fate, Enable

Me to be alert and hear the weakest

Shout, and quickly and efficiently

To put the fire out. I want to fill my

Calling and to give the best in me.

To guard my neighbor and

Protect his property. And if according

To my fate, I am to lose my life,

Please bless with your protecting

Hand my children and my wife.

Author Unknown

10/31/09, 09:24 PM

As for the 50k I agree with "HandleTheTruth" not much monet to risk your life as a firefighter or police officer in my book and not all get great benifits and such.

It took me 33 years total service 25 of it as a Firefighter I get about 2/3 of that 50k for a pension I pay all my health care 100% I get no social security because im under the old government system system and if I do put quarters in before im 62 they deduct the difference from my pension. Though I was a federal employee for most of that time and military also my point is not all people in the same job get what people think.

Jack

10/31/09, 09:31 PM

My concern is picking on the wrong people as many do here on both sides with name calling and such. Like all taxpayer we seem to have lost total control of our elected officials in all levels of government.

I believe a movement has finally risen up from the so called silent majority and I hope it will succeed, and scare the hell out all these politicians. I would point to another development today of hard nose idiots. The auto workers leaders refuse the Ford cost saving plan to march the other 2 companies. And also refuse to have anymore talks on the matter.

It would seem since ford who was the only company to not take bail out because they know how to run a business but since they are in better shape financially its back to get all you can get and if the company goes in the ground the taxpayer will rescue them. The other 2 GM and Chrysler now have an unfair advantage over ford due to them being able to cut cost.

Ford on the other hand cannot do this time as all three auto makers normally have done which is make all union contract close to the same to stop any unfair advantage. But now that is gone. I am against bail outs for banks or companies there is no such thing as too big to fail it is a lie plain and simple.

In the 90's during the Clinton years over 3000 banks failed. To date as of what I seen today’s it is less than 200 since January and less than 500 total since this so called depression that never happened. If people think this is even close to being solved or over they are dreaming, nothing is being done at all and the healthcare thing will tank this economy even more.

They have saved jobs as that can not be proven. They have created no jobs that have even come close to 60,000 and that numbers is even considered very high. The blame game is stupid what happened to look forward, what happened to clear concise bills, what happened to accountability, what happened to open government, what happened to vetting, what happened to take responsibility for your own actions, what happened to work ethic, what happened to getting knocked down and pulling yourself up, what happened to America,

It all died last year with nobody taking blame for anything on both sides and this year with only blaming the past and not doing a thing for the future. For the same reasons as last year. When I look at the time frame for all these new social programs it is asinine to believe any will work or even need to be implemented. Am I mad you bet I am, do I have the answer, no I don’t. But I know one thing for sure nobody in Washington or states or local politicians do either they all follow a blind party line. They are required to follow the voter line period.

My other point is the guns and anger are pointed at the innocent not the true criminals the politicians and yes Union leaders who are all very good an convincing who they represent they are right no matter what the cost. It is wrong and despicable to assume there is an ever growing money tree in this country there is not. Something has to give and it is about to blow up in the faces of those that would have their way at all cost at least I hope so.

Jack

10/31/09, 09:31 PM

"Jackkb" if you keep talking the way you are talking .................. I'm going to have to call you reasonable.

Now stop it ! LOL

10/31/09, 10:36 PM

Please talk to the teacher's union will you please !

10/31/09, 10:38 PM

1) UNIONS FIGHT AND SQUEEZE FOR MORE MONEY FOR THEIR MEMBERS (TEACHERS - POLICE - FIREMEN)

2) WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM?

3) IT COMES FROM THE ANNUAL TAXES PAID BY THE TAXPAYERS

4) IF YOU WANT HIGHER ANNUAL TAXES, THEN SUPPORT THE UNIONS AND THE POLITICAL CANDIDATES THEY SUPPORT AND WANT IN. YOU WILL THEN GET HIGHER TAXES.

5) IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE !

10/31/09, 10:48 PM

Jack I am always careful to point out that both sides need to be reasonable when it comes to negotiations. I also argree that most taxpayers are likely unaware that they do not get social security- not that there will be any left for my generation. That is why they have a good pension. They may not be aware that we do not get TDI- so if we get injuried off duty well...better hope you do not run out of sick time. We do pay less than the private sector on health care, but we do pay weekly, we still pay co-pays everytime we use it, and we pay part of the prescriptions. I am thankful that I pay these smaller portions but by no means is it free.

I also agree that the real problem is well above my pay grade. Health care is a 4 ton Gorilla that keeps growing every year- a lot faster than any raise I have ever seen. We can only hope that leadership will wrestle it to the ground.

I am not holding my breath for it though...

11/1/09, 09:46 AM

response to Handlethetruth

I agree with everything you said they are truths that as I have said never get out there and people dont relize. my co-pays and perscrition even though I use they 90 day mail order run about 5 to 8 thousand a year for my family. My insurance premiums are about 5 to 6 thousand a year and by no mean the great deal everyone thinks because I am a retired federal worker.

My sick time if not used when I retired was lost you can not cash it in. Vacation time was limited to 450 hrs per year and if you did not use it by the end of the year it was lost no refund on that either. Now I am not aware of most of the rules for the state system but I'm sure there are many problems there to. and yes police and fire in state system have different options due to the the job they did as medical conditions not normally in the private sector to the same degree for those jobs well working and after retirement are more likely.

Most federal employees are allways thought of great benifits because of the Postal service which people seem to forget is quasi-government aand allowed to negotiate all things many that standard federal worker can not and therefore have benifit packages far above regular employees. No comparision exist.

I am by no means an expert on state employees and doubt anyone here is either and like most can only go by what I see in contracts.When the taxpayers hear some of the things in them that the Union presses on you bet we get upset because we donnot have them and probably never will.

Most people don't belong to unions for many reasons not the least of which is the places they work for are small business and if they were to demand some of the same benifits the business would close. Well these are my opinions they are shared by many i'm sure.

As I have said before the answer is better infomation and negotiation by management and Unions to be fair to the taxpayer and stop the get all you can on both sides. every worker deserves fair pay for a fair days work. But not all wokers give a fair days work but reap the benifits of those who do.

This also needs to be fixed it is not fair to the other workers who work hard nor the taxpayers. I believe Union should find a way to weed this problem out rather then ignore it. This is where a lot of anger comes from and a lot of money goes to great waste in my opinion. Wow another long one sorry I'm pretty awke today LOL

Jack

11/1/09, 10:33 AM

I should have pointed out on the social security that the reason it is broke is when it was first started it was meant to be a supliment to retirement and only 2 people had to be working for every one that would get it. Over the ensuing decades so many programs were added to it and people put on it and the stealing from it by politicians.

It went bankrupt years ago. Well the disabilty opption was a natural exspantion of it over the years and would never have been a problem all the other give awys it has been used for are not.

Last time I checked I think it was 38 worker now for every 1 person who retires that of course is unsutainable with a workforce of about 180 million people of witch only 2 thirds or less of that pay into it.

You are correct the government will probably get rid of it and do something else that will not help you either when you reach the age whatever age they reset at. We all know it will be a lot higher so they dont have to pay as long the last I heard on the is 75 which for men in this country is 2 years above life exspectency and is the life exspectency of women in this country currently.

Jack

11/1/09, 10:46 AM

"Jackkb" I don't know who you are, but you definitely have the ability to coach municipal unions (teacher-fire-police) as to what their mindset should be re: negotiating!

More importantly to coach them regarding the taxpayer's mindset from here on.! Thanks for the fair and sensible approach to a complex process.

11/1/09, 10:56 AM

1) UNIONS FIGHT AND SQUEEZE FOR MORE MONEY FOR THEIR MEMBERS (TEACHERS - POLICE - FIREMEN)

2) WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM?

3) IT COMES FROM THE ANNUAL TAXES PAID BY THE TAXPAYERS

4) IF YOU WANT HIGHER ANNUAL TAXES, THEN SUPPORT THE UNIONS AND THE POLITICAL CANDIDATES THEY SUPPORT AND WANT IN. YOU WILL THEN GET HIGHER TAXES.

5) IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE !

11/1/09, 10:57 AM

I'm easy to know i'm in the phone book allways post my name and address to letters I write to the paper. Even had my picture in the paper a few times lambasting Bristol town council. LOL.

I'm also a little concieted at times and cant type for beans when I dont use the msword. I'm a musician so i'm a little out there anyway. Forbidden to be involved in partisian politics till after I retired by law.

Out spoken and basic pain in the but to politicians and bearocrats who dont support citizens.

Or anyone who I feel is violating the rights of others. But I dislike the ACLU a lot. They lost their way along time ago about 40 years. I also dont use CAPS very often as I rarely hit the CAPS LOCK KEY. LOL

( name of those who do omitted to protect those who do LOL)

Any one who knows me gets along with me those who dont get kicked out of the house no free beer or food for them LOL.

No one ever leaves my house hungry. Or without being picked on for something LOL. Known as very helpfull to all but do not allow them to tell others what I have done for them not humble just been taken advantage of to many time. Ok I'm humble too. see concieted LOL.

Oh poet and don't know it also.

Jack

11/1/09, 11:16 AM

handle the truth - I hear you, but your taxpaying ability is greater then mine, your 50k compared to my 26k As for the job responsibility I served in the USCG and my job was just as stressfull and dangerous, my pay was based on military pay grade and not the job quailification. Each year our cost of living only went up 1.5- 2%. it does not compare to the pay increases the fd or pd or school teachers get. My main concerns are the benifits? I dont have medical and I have not had dental in over 12 years. I dont get paid for every holiday that comes along, as the state and town workers do.

these are the things that need to change, take a pay increase but stop giving out all these benifits at the taxpayers expence. No state worker needs to be paid for flag day or election day. to sit home on the taxpayer $

11/1/09, 03:50 PM

Dave- I can only speak from the public safety end of things. I agree that corrections are needed with the system in general. I do not like waste or inefficiency anymore than you do.

I can tell you that I have never received a paid holiday for Flag Day or Election Day. I can tell you that I have worked all of the major holidays and am thankful that I did receive holiday pay for that. I really don't want this to be an us vs them conversation because nobody comes out the winner when people are pitted against each other. I will point out that I think the work and schedules of public safety are different from that of an office worker. That is not to say one is better than the other, they are just different.

What makes it worth the stress, working weekends, holidays, all different hours, and just dealing with some very nasty people?

The benefits. Like improve EP likes to say...it's just that simple.

You and I were both in the Military. I am sure you would agree that it is a different animal....a lot of hurry up and wait. You put your life on the line there too. You also received full medical and a pension after 20 years. The pay was horrible...I think I was making 15k back in the 80's, but I do remember that you had great benefits.

We may not agree on this but I hope you can at least understand why I feel that public safety, like the military, should receive great benefits.

11/2/09, 08:39 AM

Here's one for you "improveEP"-looks like your buddy Larisa caved in to the union:

Agreement brings back 13 officers

01:00 AM EST on Monday, November 2, 2009

By Alisha A. Pina

Journal Staff Writer

EAST PROVIDENCE — Although a vote of the full City Council still looms, the 13 officers laid off in early October may be back in their uniforms this week.

City officials and representatives of the Local 569 of the International Brotherhood of Police Officers came up with an agreement late Wednesday afternoon that brings the officers back in exchange for several concessions and contract modifications from the union.

The changes will save the city about the same amount, $892,000, if not more, than what the city was projected to gain this fiscal year — which just began Nov. 1 — by laying off the officers.

“We feel this was a fair and equitable resolution to the city’s financial hardship in these difficult economic times,” union president Detective John Rossi said.

Councilman Robert Cusack, who attended the Wednesday negotiations, said, “I think it’s good. I think the union really understood the needs of the city and were willing to help us and we greatly appreciate it.”

Among the concessions, the union agreed to give up the next six holidays. The savings equates to the officers’ 3-percent raise, making it a wash, Mayor Joseph S. Larisa Jr. said. The officers also agreed to give up their annual uniform payments for two years.

The department’s community policing division and its four officers will be absorbed into the patrol division, but Larisa says that it does not mean there won’t be community policing. The patrol division will handle those responsibilities.

In addition, union members will increase health-care contributions from $16 to $20 a week, or 7 percent, for most and to $40 per week for newer officers. This is the rate they would have paid in 2012 with the previous agreement.

Anyone hired after this agreement will be enrolled in a Blue Cross health-care savings account, which, according to Cusack, tends to cost the city 30 percent less than a traditional health-care program. Larisa explains that they pay 10 percent of the insurance premium for the individual and family plan and, in addition to that, the employees contribute $2,000 for an individual plan or $4,000 for a family plan.

“The benefit to the city is obvious: they have to use the $2,000 or $4,000 first,” Larisa said. “The benefit to the employee is if they don’t use it, it’s their money and they can use it anyway they want.”

Cusack said the health-care savings account plan will be offered to all the officers and he believes it is “better for the young and healthy.”

The city also presented an enhanced retirement package that willing officers have until March 1 to take. Although all the details haven’t been revealed, Larisa said it has greater incentives than the previous offer, yet “it is also something that is taxpayer friendly and won’t disrupt the pension system.”

It is expected that at least a half dozen officers will accept the deal.

And finally, the city agreed it will maintain a staffing level of 90. The authorized staffing level before the layoffs was 104 and there were four vacancies. The layoffs brought the total to 87, so with their return — some have been offered jobs elsewhere and may not chose to come back — and the “likely retirements,” the staffing level should be around 90, Larisa and Cusack both said.

“We’re very pleased that we reached an agreement that is beneficial to both the taxpayers and the officers,” Larisa said. “Now they can go back to what they do best, and that’s defending and protecting the people of East Providence.”

The officers unanimously approved the plan Wednesday night in an emergency membership meeting. The full council will vote on the agreement at its 7:30 p.m. meeting Tuesday in City Hall.

apina@projo.com

11/2/09, 09:04 AM

The changes will save the city about the same amount, $892,000, if not more, than what the city was projected to gain this fiscal year — which just began Nov. 1 — by laying off the officers.

11/2/09, 09:12 AM

In addition, union members will increase health-care contributions from $16 to $20 a week, or 7 percent, for most and to $40 per week for newer officers. This is the rate they would have paid in 2012 with the previous agreement.

11/2/09, 09:13 AM

Among the concessions, the union agreed to give up the next six holidays. The savings equates to the officers’ 3-percent raise, making it a wash, Mayor Joseph S. Larisa Jr. said. The officers also agreed to give up their annual uniform payments for two years.

11/2/09, 09:15 AM

THATS THE WAY WE LIKE TO CAVE IN, LOL !

11/2/09, 09:16 AM

What that's called "improveEP" is the union throwing the city a couple of bones-they'll get the "concessions" back. Most importantly, Slow Joe heard the backlash from the voters of East Providence-don't mess with the police officers, firefighters, or teachers.

11/2/09, 09:26 AM

Looks like Slow Joe Larisa realized with his foolish layoff, he was jeapordizing public safety in the city. Now if we can just tear "Fat Tony" away from drinking out of his paper bag, the teachers can get a fair contract.

11/2/09, 09:28 AM

I'm happy to see that a compromise was reached. However, I do have one comment to make about union employees paying taxes too. Of course that is true, but how many of them are paying in a community other than East Provdence ( as in they dont live in the city)

11/2/09, 11:05 AM

I'm surprised the union haters didn't blame Paul Doughty for sending the suspicious packages-they blame him for everything else.

11/3/09, 08:18 AM

State Rep. Doug Gablinske is quoted as asking union officials representing more than 9,000 teachers: “Do you not think that the pigs at the public trough have gone too far?”

THAT QUOTE IS FROM A DEMOCRAT, WHO WOULD KNOW BETTER?

11/3/09, 10:12 AM

Don't tell Slow Joe Larisa you're now licking Gablinske's boots "improveEP"-he might get jealous.

11/3/09, 10:19 AM

State Rep. Doug Gablinske is quoted as asking union officials representing more than 9,000 teachers: “Do you not think that the pigs at the public trough have gone too far?”

THAT QUOTE IS FROM A DEMOCRAT, WHO WOULD KNOW BETTER?

11/3/09, 10:45 AM

Did you know?

Our overall taxes rank fourth in the country and are the highest in New England. Our school costs are the largest on a per capita basis in New England, yet our educational achievements are in the bottom 25% of U.S. performance. School budgets comprise about 60% to more than 70% of all municipal budgets in Rhode Island. Rhode Island teacher salaries are the 9th highest in the United States.

11/4/09, 06:59 AM

IF YOU WANT HIGHER ANNUAL TAXES, THEN SUPPORT THE UNIONS AND THE POLITICAL CANDIDATES (HACKS) THEY SUPPORT AND WANT ELECTED. YOU WILL THEN GET HIGHER TAXES.

11/4/09, 09:13 AM

Go get 'em "improveEP"-great job of cutting and pasting the same sentence 50 times over-shows your intelligence level-ZERO.

11/4/09, 09:19 AM

FOR HIGHER TAXES, VOTE UNION !

11/4/09, 09:24 AM

"I have no problem whatsoever paying a little more in taxes. It's a small price to pay for the quality of life we enjoy."

THIS RECENT QUOTE SHOWN ABOVE IS FROM A RABID UNION BLOGGER NAMED "union-teacher"

HE OBVIOUSLY THINKS ITS OKAY TO PAY MORE TAXES IN THE MOST "TAXED OUT" STATE IN THE COUNTRY.

THEREFORE PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING:

1) UNIONS FIGHT AND SQUEEZE FOR MORE MONEY FOR THEIR MEMBERS (TEACHERS UNION - POLICE UNION - FIREMENS UNION)

2) WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM WHICH GOES TO THESE GREEDY UNIONS?

3) IT COMES FROM THE ANNUAL TAXES PAID BY THE HARDWORKING TAXPAYERS

4) IF YOU WANT TO PAY HIGHER ANNUAL TAXES, THEN SUPPORT THE UNIONS AND THE POLITICAL CANDIDATES THAT THEY SUPPORT AND WANT ELECTED. YOU WILL THEN PAY HIGHER TAXES.

I GUARANTEE YOU THAT1

5) IT'S REALLY JUST THAT SIMPLE !

11/4/09, 11:56 AM

Whichever councilman votes to hike taxes 10% to keep cronies satisfied should get the boot next election. period. We have a vast majority of blue collar workers in the center of the city. Plasterers, carpenters, plumbers, wallboard hangers, who are completely out of work. Building is dead. A little here a little there. Families are living on less already. Cobras and extended benefits are about to run out. So where does 10% come from. Larisa is dead on. The taxpayers want their abitration also. The other councilman can't teeter around this.

11/4/09, 06:29 PM

Can someone answer why we lost 3 million in revenue for the schools from the state? Was this 3 million across the board in each city and town or lost because of another reason?

11/4/09, 06:33 PM

I am glad to here that the thirteen police officers are returning to work. To think that the union would put new uniforms over their labor force is horrible.

11/4/09, 06:38 PM

This white powder (sugar) nonsense reminds me of the anthrax b.s. when they were trying to jam these two ridiculous wars down congress throat. Remember the terror color code alert. Red Orange....Now look at us, over there chasing our tails in a country where the vast majority of people are illiterate. Heaven help us. But somebody is getting rich... Why do the few matter more than the many.

11/4/09, 06:53 PM

The Union_Teacher Creed

Must be past 4:30 as UT Pronounced ( eewwt ) has gone back to his bleak little world where he never wins and screams all the rest of the live long day and night until he wakes up and takes his meds and thinks I Stuart Smalley ( eewwt ) am a good person, I Stuart Smalley ( eewwt ) will tell people today how good I am,

I Stuart Smalley ( eewwt ) will tell all the other people what they are with every vile insult I learned from The glorious GODS of Union leadership, who I Stuart Smalley ( eewwt ) bow to without question when I am on my knees praying to them like a good little minion.

Bless the Union Leaders for they have seen to the destruction of Companies, Businesses, and Taxpayers for we have taken money from them and will continue to do it till we can't walk from the weight of what steal and will continue to steal the blood out of the American economic system until it collapses.

Bless the Union Leaders for they are the GODS of destruction even if their Membership doesn't approve we will intimidate the members if they try to object, we will make sure those who do end up first on the list for firing or layoffs.

We are the first and the last to destroy all that was ever good in the American industrial system under the guise of helping workers. We will only use them to further are secret agenda of a socialistic society where only we have the power and the taxpayers are lowly servants kept in check by having no money. ( because we took it )

We shall make all the rich pay more and more till they flee the country and close their companies and millions out of work. oops scratch that we did it all ready to auto industry and it kind of isn’t working hum can't figure that out. Well who cares we will just get more money from taxpayers that will take care of it. We are Union Leadership GODS.

I know we will force card check and then we can intimidate all workers because they will no longer have a secret ballot like that stupid freedom America has always had. We will make this a third world country if we have to destroy the country to do it by making the Government stupid enough to take over all business and financial markets and healthcare system except exempt Unions of course. The taxpayers will suffer but who cares we are Union Leadership GODS.

I Stuart Smalley alias ( eewwt ) do here by affirm this diatribe and will follow it tell I too starve and lose all my wealth and become another nail in the coffin of the America I wanted to create. Thank you Union Leadership GODS.

11/4/09, 06:54 PM

Improve EP, if you want to pay the 10% ...that's good for you. Our elderly population aren't going to have an increase in social security for the next to years. That means zero growth. How are they going to pay this increase? East Providence has a large number of elderly.

11/4/09, 06:56 PM

As far as the city council, from watching the meetings, Joe Larisa is the only councilman who is not sitting on the fence. He has made is argument clear what he wants and in great detail. The others sit without truly casting a voice to what side of this argument they sit on. Teetering with keeping unions happy and not saying much to anger taxpayers.

11/4/09, 07:21 PM

IF YOU WANT TO PAY HIGHER ANNUAL TAXES, THEN SUPPORT THE UNIONS AND THE POLITICAL CANDIDATES THAT THEY SUPPORT AND WANT ELECTED. YOU WILL THEN PAY HIGHER TAXES.

11/5/09, 07:07 AM

cdee

Don't know where you have been hiding but:

The state did not cut $3 million from the schools, it was in a cut in revenue sharing for cities and towns,

NO COUNCILMAN is in favor of a 10% tax increase.

Joe Larisa lead the charge to get rid of the 13 police officers!

Just a fews facts and clarifications for you to ponder.

11/5/09, 07:47 AM

cd, are you throwing out these comments because your are bored. I mean have you even read these stories? The union already agreed to concessions that would have saved the budget and they were turned down because Larisa couldn't get past the co pay issue. Larisa has been the one using bully tactics all along. How about reading up on this stuff before you say something.

11/5/09, 07:55 AM

Good morning Jack-I see you've taken a page out of "improveEP's" playbook, and cut and pasted the same post 20 times-real original Jack. As far as why I've lost all respect for you, it's because you talk out of both sides of your mouth-with your left hand you have no problem taking your retired firefighter pension check every month, and with your right hand, you bash the unions (especially the teachers union) every chance you get. That Jack, is the definition of a hypocrite. At least those two morons Jethro Joe Sousa and watchDan/watchman/Dan Gordon have been consistent-they both work in the private sector, they both hate unions, and they bash unions every chance they get. But you on the other hand were not only a union member, but a union representative, and now you turn your back on the union that gave you everything you have? As if that's not enough, you have the audacity to defend that scumbag Gablinske-the biggest piece of garbage to ever walk the halls of the RI State House. What's next Jack-are you going to become a sales rep for Rural Metro, and have them come in and with their scabs and replace all the unionized firefighters in the state? I'm sure your union brothers at the Navy Base Fire Dept. would be really pleased about that. Bottom line Jack, you can't have it both ways-you're either all the way in, or all the way out-loyal union members don't bash fellow union members. As I said before, you're no better than Joe Sousa and Dan Gordon-next thing you know you're going to tell us you're joining the TCC, the Rhode Island SHORELINE Coalition, or the teabaggers-pretty pathetic Jack.

11/5/09, 08:44 AM

Paul Doughty

11/5/09, 08:51 AM

I'll tell you UT, if the unions are choosing people like you to represent them then the unions need to go. A total overhaul is in order. Bottom feeders like you deserve no position of authority. If the choice becomes unions fronted by people with your attitude or unions with clear thinking somewhat honest, independent minded people like jack, well I think that would be an easy choice.

The take all or nothing attitude you spew is the reason there is such vehemence toward union people today. This is why you are either a plant to rile up dissension against unions or a complete moron for not being able to see the damage you are doing.

11/5/09, 09:00 AM

Jaq-You seem to be a pretty level headed intelligent individual, and while I've previously explained my position, for you I'll do it again.

The firs thing you have to realize Jaq, is that while I'm pretty militant with my views on these blogs, when I'm at a city or town hall, the state house, or at a negotiating table, I'm much more subdued and concilatory. I wouldn't have lasted a week in my position if I were a hot head like Joe Sousa or Dan Gordon. When I'm in negotiations on behalf of my members, I'm professional, cordial, and respectful. Once I leave the room/negotiating table, I laugh behind my opponents backs and mock and ridicule them, but I'm sure they do the same to me.

You have to realize Jaq, that the readers of this particular blog make up about 1/1000th of 1 percent of the voters of this state. The fact that I piss off 10 people on this blog isn't going to amount to a hill of beans come election time. All this blog gives me is an outlet to expose fanatical kooks such as Joe Sousa, Dan Gordon, Joe Larisa, Tony Carcieri, etc., and to try and educate people like Jack B, who reap the benefits the union gave him, and then turns around and stabs them in the back. In my opinion, I would much rather battle jerks like the TCC, teabaggers, RI Shoreline Coalition, etc.-at least you know they're your enemy. But when you get somebody like Jack who takes every opportunity he can to knock the unions (especially the teachers), I can't let that go unanswered.

Some people have called my tactics "strong armed", "goon", or "mafia-like". Call it what you want Jaq, but it's worked for me, and it's worked for the union brothers and sisters that I represent. Once again, if you ever run into me at the state house or a city/town hall, you'll be pretty surprised at how much I tone it down, but as I said, the 10 votes or so I'm losing on this blog are insignificant. Getting my message out is well worth the 10 votes.

11/5/09, 09:25 AM

Gee wiz (eewwt) The union didn't get the pay or pensions for me they were set by congress after WW2 before there was Unions even allowed in the Government. More misinformation by you ( eewwt). And as for your teacher Union Only the Leadership of that or any other Union that is raping taxpayers have my wrath.

Never Picked on the membership of the Union. But then again you lie so much you believe your lies. and disagreement with consistency of the policy of anything is not a hypocrite.

HYPOCRITE DEF.

( 1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings) So find another word as you always use that one wrong.

Also the post was pasted 4 times not 20 and only on letters or articles that it was relevent to. Another lie by you. And if you can't take sarcasm and tongue in cheek though there is a lot of truths in the post as proven by you rants, well who cares what you post really not me. I belong to no political affiliation not do I belong to any group as I said before.

I belong to being a citizen of this country period. And the freedom to speak and disagree with any organization whether or not you belong to it is freedom also something else the Union Leadership has thrown away as edvidenced by your rants, which do nothing but forment hate and discontent tward the Unoin Membership you say you want to protect now that is hypocritical.

Jack

11/5/09, 12:02 PM

oops sorry (eewwt) Pensions when U.s. Civil service commision formed in 1883.

11/5/09, 12:10 PM

As I've told you before Jack, show me where I'm being a hypocrite. We have some union members who I have fought for in the past, who love to reap the benefits, but bash the unions any chance they get-those are true hypocrites. So please show me where I'm being hypocritical Jack.

I'll agree with you-your union had no control over wage negotiations, and that's very unfortunate. As I suggested in another post, when you entered the workforce, you should have considered seeking employment at the state or municipal level-not the federal level where you were unable to negotiate wages.

So once again Jack, if you want to be so self righteous, feel free to mail your monthly pension check back next month-tell the government it's your contribution to help bring down the federal deficit.

You know Jack, the more I read of your posts, the more I'm inclined to believe that your union membership was in name only, and you seem to harbor jealousy towards state and municipal employees who enjoyed better wages and benefits than you did.

From this point on, I won't consider you a union member, as the description of your union doesn't sound like much of a union at all. Once again, it's not your fault-federal law is federal law, but I don't feel it's appropriate for you to claim your union membership was anything that even remotely resembles my union membership.

And get it right Jack-if I were to denounce my union, that would be considered hypocritical, but I stand behind my union 100%.

11/5/09, 12:29 PM

So tell me Jack, if your wages and pensions were set by the federal government, why did you even have a union? Was it so you could get together once a month for a meeting as an excuse to get out of the house?

And also Jack, if you think teachers are so overpaid, what's your feeling on police officers and FIREFIGHTERS? Do you think they're also overpaid? I consider the job of teacher to be just as stressful and important as that of a police officer or firefighter. I consider all three professions to be equally important, and I feel their wages and benefits should be equal. If you follow my posts, you will see I fight for ALL unionized public employees-I don't play favorites or show partiality toward any one profession.

11/5/09, 12:35 PM

response to (eewwt)

The biggest hypocritical thing from you is you say you have the right to stick up for your beliefs, but you also dont allow anyone to stick up for theirs something you consistantly do on here. By the way I was also in other Unions in my life not just federal.

You spout how people need to join Unions in one sentence and then turn around adn accuse all those who dont want a union vile names and call everyone in the southern states inbreed and other vile names.

You obviously are fanatic who believes that workers should be under the thumb of a single organization with no say so in anything. If they should disagree with that organization you will demean them and insult them to no end.

I have never said teacher were overpaid another one of your many lies. I have never complained about what I was paid at my job I new what it was when I decided to take it. Though I have allways said the police and firefighters and the military are not paid enough and military deserve the best benifits to the highest standards.

I have said the benifits that teachers, firefighters and police have gotten out of hand and cannot be supported by taxpayers who earn half of what they do its simple economics. I still think if Union Leadership and Management would be fair to each other even the taxpayers would be more reasonable. But when Both the management and Union Leadership stand there doing tit for tat it means your both morons.

You do show partiality toward other professions your hate for Volonteer firefighters is dispicible in my book, but i'm sure in your mind thats ok because they are not in your little Union world so you justify it as you do all you discusting comments that you are somehow better than others.

If you really wanted fairness in the work force you would work toward weeding out teachers or firefighters or police who violate the law, arn't qualified to do their job, but nope wont happen no matter the wrong a few of these commit or how bad they are in thier job you will protect them and screw over anyone who gets in the way.

You tried to say you were like a lawyer but you have no clue that a defence lawyer is suppose to defent their client to the best of their ability to make sure justice is applied equally.

It is not to get them off at all cost even when they are guity it is to make sure that the sentence they are given is fair. Though many lawyers do not do this also doesn't make it right.

In closing you say obviously stand by your Union beliefs right or wrong, that is sad that you are such a person who even when they see wrong they agree with it and do nothing about it. The charactor of anyone is shown by the deeds they do in life unselfishly. They do not look for thanks nor do they want any they do it because it is the right thing to do. Something you do not seem to understand by the way you treat people on here.

If you are so nice when you are not on here and actually taking to people face to face then why act the way you do here at all. I doubt you will ever change since you are so one sided with no will to be open to a real debate of issues in a decent manner. Have fun in that bazzaro world you live in because in the end you just a drop in the ocean of life who will one day wash away out to sea leaving no legacy or true deeds done in life that anyone will remember.

Jack

11/5/09, 09:14 PM

response to (eewwt)

I also tire of trying to explain anything to you because you are just too single minded and never even try to see other points of view due to your tunnel vision thinking and vile distain,bigot comments, racist views toward groups of people in the south and elswhere, and dispicable treatment of a family who lost a loved one on the other post that proved for me you have no humanity and need to seek professional help though I doubt you will. No need to respond to any of this until you do get help because my friend you need it.

Jack

11/5/09, 09:23 PM

"his pay and benefits were definitely sub-standard when compared with state and municipal workers-in my opinion, he made a rather unwise career choice going with federal as opposed to state (Rhode Island) or municipal (East Providence) employment."

ANOTHER QUOTE BY 'union-teacher"

FOLKS, DOES THIS TELL YOU THE STORY REGARDING THE "UNION" OUTLOOK ON LIFE?

GET RID OF ALL UNION SUPPORTERS AND UNION ENDORSED POLITICIANS, THE SOONER THE BETTER.

11/5/09, 10:16 PM

Paul Doughty

11/6/09, 08:20 AM

GET RID OF REP. JACK "THE HACK" SAVAGE THE TEACHERS UNION SUPPORTER

11/6/09, 08:26 AM

THE FOLLOWING WAS POSTED BY A UNION AGITATOR:

"Fortunately next year's elections are right around the corner, and a new broom will be coming in to sweep this idiot Larisa and his small band of cronies out the door."

MY QUESTION IS: WHO IS YOUR "NEW BROOM?"

IS IT "PAT DOWN" PAUL MOURA, THE UNION BAD BOY AT CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS WHOSE BEHAVIOR EMBARRASSES EVERYBODY AROUND HIM?

IS THAT YOUR "NEW BROOM?"

GOOD LUCK!

11/6/09, 09:04 AM

Looks like "improveEP" is getting desperate-after the pathetic turnout at last night's union bashing session at the Kof C, it's become obvious Larisa and Co. are heading for the political scrap heap.

The new broom is coming "improveEP"-get ready to be swept out the door with the rest of the garbage.

11/6/09, 09:12 AM
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